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Monday, August 25, 2008

Eve's Legacy

Dear all:
The parts in which the wording is in red are parts which I would like to be discussed from authentic Judaic, Christian points of view and I would like you to help me in terms of their authenticity, even though there are bibliographic Notes at the end which seem to show that all the segments have been taken from the Bible and the Talmud.

Thank you for your help once more.
Eli

The image of Eve as temptress in the Bible has resulted in an extremely negative impact on women throughout the Judaeo-Christian tradition.

All women were believed to have inherited from their mother, the Biblical Eve, both her guilt and her guile. Consequently, they were all untrustworthy, morally inferior, and wicked. Menstruation, pregnancy, and childbearing were considered the just punishment for the eternal guilt of the cursed female sex.

In order to appreciate how negative the impact of the Biblical Eve was on all her female descendants we have to look at the writings of some of the most important Jews and Christians of all time. Let us start with the Old Testament and look at excerpts from what is called the Wisdom Literature in which we find:

"I find more bitter than death the woman who is a snare, whose heart is a trap and whose hands are chains. The man who pleases God will escape her, but the sinner she will ensnare....while I was still searching but not finding, I found one upright man among a thousand but not one upright woman among them all" (Ecclesiastes 7:26-28).

In another part of the Hebrew literature which is found in the Catholic Bible we read:

"No wickedness comes anywhere near the wickedness of a woman.....Sin began with a woman and thanks to her we all must die" (Ecclesiasticus 25:19,24).

Jewish Rabbis listed nine curses inflicted on women as a result of the Fall:

"To the woman He gave nine curses and death: the burden of the blood of menstruation and the blood of virginity; the burden of pregnancy; the burden of childbirth; the burden of bringing up the children; her head is covered as one in mourning; she pierces her ear like a permanent slave or slave girl who serves her master; she is not to be believed as a witness; and after everything--death."[3]

To the present day, orthodox Jewish men in their daily morning prayer recite "Blessed be God King of the universe that Thou has not made me a woman." The women, on the other hand, thank God every morning for "making me according to Thy will"[4]. ( This is really something I find very hard to believe from a reigion of the Lord, somebody help me please, I need clarifications. Eli)

Another prayer found in many Jewish prayer books: "Praised be God that he has not created me a gentile. Praised be God that he has not created me a woman. Praised be God that he has not created me an ignoramus."[5]

The Biblical Eve has played a far bigger role in Christianity than in Judaism. Her sin has been pivotal to the whole Christian faith because the Christian conception of the reason for the mission of Jesus Christ on Earth stems from Eve's disobedience to God. She had sinned and then seduced Adam to follow her suit. Consequently, God expelled both of them from Heaven to Earth, which had been cursed because of them.

They bequeathed their sin, which had not been forgiven by God, to all their descendants and, thus, all humans are born in sin. In order to purify human beings from their 'original sin', God had to sacrifice Jesus, who is considered to be the Son of God, on the cross. Therefore, Eve is responsible for her own mistake, her husband's sin, the original sin of all humanity, and the death of the Son of God. In other words, one woman acting on her own caused the fall of humanity.[6]

What about her daughters? They are sinners like her and have to be treated as such. Listen to the severe tone of St. Paul in the New Testament:

"A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I don't permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent. For Adam was formed first, then Eve. And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner" (I Timothy 2:11-14).

St. Tertullian was even more blunt than St. Paul, while he was talking to his 'best beloved sisters' in the faith, he said[7]:
"Do you not know that you are each an Eve? The sentence of God on this sex of yours lives in this age: the guilt must of necessity live too. You are the Devil's gateway: You are the unsealer of the forbidden tree: You are the first deserter of the divine law: You are she who persuaded him whom the devil was not valiant enough to attack. You destroyed so easily God's image, man. On account of your desert even the Son of God had to die."

St. Augustine was faithful to the legacy of his predecessors, he wrote to a friend:
"What is the difference whether it is in a wife or a mother, it is still Eve the temptress that we must beware of in any woman......I fail to see what use woman can be to man, if one excludes the function of bearing children." (!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am bewildered)

Centuries later, St. Thomas Aquinas still considered women as defective:
"As regards the individual nature, woman is defective and misbegotten, for the active force in the male seed tends to the production of a perfect likeness in the masculine sex; while the production of woman comes from a defect in the active force or from some material indisposition, or even from some external influence."

Finally, the renowned reformer Martin Luther could not see any benefit from a woman but bringing into the world as many children as possible regardless of any side effects:
"If they become tired or even die, that does not matter. Let them die in childbirth, that's why they are there"

Again and again all women are denigrated because of the image of Eve the temptress, thanks to the Genesis account.

To sum up, the Judaeo-Christian conception of women has been poisoned by the belief in the sinful nature of Eve and her female offspring.

If we now turn our attention to what the Qur’an has to say about women, we will soon realize that the Islamic conception of women is radically different from the Judaeo-Christian one. Let the Qur’an speak for itself:

"For Muslim men and women, for believing men and women, for devout men and women, for true men and women, for men and women who are patient, for men and women who humble themselves, for men and women who give in charity, for men and women who fast, for men and women who guard their chastity, and for men and women who engage much in Allah's praise-- For them all has Allah prepared forgiveness and great reward" (33:35).

"The believers, men and women, are protectors, one of another: they enjoin what is just, and forbid what is evil, they observe regular prayers, practise regular charity, and obey Allah and His Messenger. On them will Allah pour His Mercy: for Allah is Exalted in power, Wise" (9:71).

"And their Lord answered them: Truly I will never cause to be lost the work of any of you, Be you a male or female, you are members one of another" (3:195).

"Whoever works evil will not be requited but by the like thereof, and whoever works a righteous deed -whether man or woman- and is a believer- such will enter the Garden of bliss" (40:40).

"Whoever works righteousness, man or woman, and has faith, verily to him/her we will give a new life that is good and pure, and we will bestow on such their reward according to the best of their actions" (16:97).

It is clear that the Qur’anic view of women is no different than that of men. They, both, are God's creatures whose sublime goal on earth is to worship their Lord, do righteous deeds, and avoid evil and they, both, will be assessed accordingly.

The Qur’an never mentions that the woman is the devil's gateway or that she is a deceiver by nature. The Qur’an, also, never mentions that man is God's image; all men and all women are his creatures, that is all. According to the Qur’an, a woman's role on earth is not limited only to childbirth. She is required to do as many good deeds as any other man is required to do.

The Qur’an never says that no upright women have ever existed. To the contrary, the Qur’an has instructed all the believers, women as well as men, to follow the example of those ideal women such as the Virgin Mary and the Pharaoh's wife:

"And Allah sets forth, As an example to those who believe, the wife of Pharaoh: Behold she said: 'O my lord build for me, in nearness to you, a mansion in the Garden, and save me from Pharaoh and his doings and save me from those who do wrong.' And Mary the daughter of Imran who guarded her chastity and We breathed into her body of Our spirit; and she testified to the truth of the words of her Lord and of His revelations and was one of the devout" (66:11-13).

Notes:
[3] Leonard J. Swidler, Women in Judaism: The Status of Women in Formative Judaism (Metuchen, N.J.: Scarecrow Press, 1976), p. 115
[4] Thena Kendath, “Memories of an Ortodox Youth”, in Susannah Heschel ed, On Being a Jewish Feminist (New York: Schocken Books, 1983), pp. 96-97.
[5] Leonard J. Swidler, Women in Judaism: The Status of Women in Formative Judaism, op. cit., pp. 80-81.
[6] Rosemay R. Ruether, “Christianity”, in Arvind Sharma ed., Women in World Religions (Albany: State University of New York Press, 1987) p. 209.
[7] For all the saying of the prominent Saints, see Karen Armstrong, The Gospels according to Woman (London, Elm Tree Books, 1986) pp. 52-62. See also Nancy Van Vuuren, The Subversion of Women as Practiced by Churches, Witch-Hunters, and Other Sexists (Philadelphia: Westminster Press) pp. 28-30.

5 comments:

Renee said...

I read this post and I found it really sad. I might be able to help clear some of this stuff up for you.

The only verses I can answer for you though are the ones written in the Bible. The old and the new testament; which in this post - you only have a couple of those in there.

If you go back to Genesis and read what happened in the garden of Edan; you'll notice that God didn't do anything to Adam and Eve until after Adam ate the friut! The reason this is was because God had created Adam first, and he was copable to both himself and Eve for his disobediance! And I'll explain why I think Adam ate the fruit in a minute.

Starting with Eve; the Scripture says once she saw the fruit was good to eat, was pleasant and "desireable to make one wise"! this is very important because people assume Eve ate the fruit with the intent of dragging Adam into disobediance. That wasn't the reason at all! She wanted to be wise in her knowledge of God! She didn't want to be like God in the totality of all that He was; she wanted to be like God in His wisdom of the knowledge of good and evil. Her motive was not the problem, her circumventing of the stated order of things is what got her in trouble.

Now, I'm sure Eve could see that Adam and God were more similar to each other in the way the thought (ie their wisdom) than she was to either of them. Not that she was stupid or anything like that - I'm sure she was astute enough to observe the difference in the way men and women think. That's inherent in the diffences in our biology.

What she may or may not have realized is that though she desired to be wise like God; and found limitations in her position in the order of creation (on account of the difference in her biology) - God had the capacity to fully understand her even though she didn't have the capacity to fully understand Him. God created both Adam and Eve in His image - Adam just came first that's all. The aspect of Eve that made her female, is also inherent in the nature of God. On the flip side of this, that (female personage) is the dimention of God that Adam didn't understand either - (because Adam was created male).

Now Adam ate the fruit, not because he'd been tricked by Eve; but because she was so intwined in his existance that he didn't want to loose her. He'd rather disobey God than live without Eve. Adam's love, being made manifest because that is the nature of God; he probably realized that God was indeed merciful. Adam may have been thinking before he ever ate from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil that - "oh there's the tree of life - we can just eat that and make everything OK again!". It's logical to me to think that was probalby going through his mind.

Renee said...

Now, lets take a look at what happened to Adam and Eve after they ate the fruit. They were in the garden of Edan, they were confronted by God and expelled from the garden. Adam and Eve weren't in heaven and than put on earth, they were already on earth and expelled from the garden of Edan.

Now if you notice - who's the first person God comes looking for? "Adam - you-who Adam - where are you Adam!" God doesn't come looking for Eve. And who answers God - Adam answers God. He says - "we heard you and hid because we were naked." Than God says - "Who told you you were naked? Did you eat that fruit I told you not to?" Obviously it's a retorical question - God knows they ate the fruit or they wouldn't be hiding from Him!

Notice though God is still talking to Adam. Adam replies (truthfully - yet notice in this statement he blames God for this) the woman WHO YOU GAVE TO BE WITH ME... she gave me of the tree and I ate." Notice Adam isn't blaming Eve. He's not saying, she tricked me to eat it, she forced me to eat it, she shoved it down my throat, she tempted me into sin... no he acknowledges that it was an act of his own free will that he ate - and blames God for giving him Eve.

Next God askes Eve "Why have you done this thing" It's generally translated "What have you done" and is usually looked upon as being a statement of condemnation; when actually it isn't. The idea conveyed is "Why did you take this course of action?" - indicating that there were other choices Eve had.

Eve was suppose to go to Adam with her inquiries about obtaining wisdom. Adam was suppose to point her to God. (Which he failed to handle this situation appropiately too!) If Eve had come to Adam and said "Adam - uh - I ate this fruit God told us not to eat." Adam should have gone strait to God and said "...ah Houston - We got a problem..." But Adam didn't do that either!

Notice Eve's response is a simple answer to God's question. She took this course of action because the serpant tricked her.

So now comes the dishing out of the consequences. Notice who "gets it first" - the serpant! Next God addresses Eve because she's the next one in the "chain of command" that's "out of line". Finally God addresses Adam. Adam who knew better!

Notice the only entity God curses is the serpant! He doesn't curse Eve and He doesn't curse Adam. God tells the serpant that ultimatly the seed of Eve (the one who the serpent betrayed with deceipt) will be the serpant's undoing. The seed of Eve will crush the serpant's head!

Now to Eve - God says that He will greatly multiply her sorrow and her conception. This is interesting as far as the conception end of it goes because it leaves me wondering that if there was no fall - was Eve ever meant to only bear one child? And if that were true - what would the implication of that be - I don't know?

Any ways; the other aspect is God will multiply her sorrows and in sorrow she will bring forth children. Now there are two different words sorrow here. The first word is "worries", and the second is "labor" she will toil to birth children. (As opposed to Adam who will toil to feed himself and his wife and kids.)- and worry about those children all the days of her life! Any woman who has kids understands this! LOL

Next God tells her that her desire (that which she runs after or pursues) will be toward her husband and he will rule over her. Prior to this she was persuing the wisdom of God. Apparently Eve had more leeway in approaching God prior to the fall than she did after. This could be what accounts for the texts in the Old Testament that appear to be endorsing the subjagation of women. Ultimatly Eve would be freed from that in the offspring that would crush the serpant's head. I'll get to that later though.

Renee said...

The other Old Testament Bible verse you quoted was Eccl 7:26-28. Read the verse very carefully though:
It says:
"I find more bitter than death the woman who is a snare..." This is not a blanket condemnation of all women; it's a condemnation of women who are snares. In the rest of the verse it goes on to describe what a snaring women looks like.
Keep in mind too there are verses in Proverbs that praise good women! Women who live right according to God. Not every woman is a snare!

The next Bible verse you quoted is a New Testament verse.
(1 Tim 2:11-14) Verse 14 is not saying Eve was the only sinner. It's saying that because she was decieved is why she trasngressed. Compare that to Adam who transgressed knowingly!

Now what does this verse mean about women learning in silence with all subjection and that she isn't to ursup authority over the man but to be in silence.

This verse has given translaters trouble for a long time on account of there are other passages in the New Testament that women weren't silent (as in never spoke) and held leadership positions in churches. (Although not as pastors) There were deaconesses, there were female judges in the Old Testament and the Scriptures themselves state that God gave Moses Aaron and Marium (Aaron's sister) as leaders to Israel.

So, what does this mean? - as it seems the Scriptures are contradicting themeselves! We can easily answer this by taking a close look at a couple of the Greek words!

"silence" - (vs 11) - comes from a root that literally means "to stand in one place" - another offshoot of that root is the word "steadfast". Steadfast means to be unwavering - to be steadfast in your doctrine or your belief of God! This particular word is also used in the context of men not being brawlers. They are to be "silent". Now does that mean that they literaly don't talk? - no - it means that they don't start arguements!

Subjection - now we sort of covered this concept with Adam and Eve. It litteraly means "appointed position". There is an order of things. Eveyone is under the authority of someone else. Children are to be in subjection to their mothers and fathers, wives are to be in subjection to their husbands, (and husbands to their wives - it states in another place) and men are to be in subjetion to God.

Now the next verse "I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to ursup authority over the man but to be in silence." This verse takes a little understanding of Greek couplets to unravel. It also takes a little understanding of what was going on historically to unravel.

There were a lot of "mother creation" cults in that area when this was written. One of the teachings that "snuck into" their presence was that Eve was created before Adam. This wreaked all sorts of havoc and disorder in the church. So, thus this discourse over what the proper order of people's behavior should be.

In actualality the verse is saying "I do not permit a women to teach, nor to proclaim that she is the author of man." - This makes the next sentance make more sense - "Because Adam was first formed than Eve"

Than the next verse (which I covered already) And Adam was not decieved, but the woman being decieved acted in disobediance. Again, what I'd covered before was that Adam's act was that much more diobolical because he didn't sin on account of being decieved. His disobediance was deliberate and willful. Yet, as was covered before - the reason for his disobediance was understandable also.

Renee said...

Lastly - I'm getting really long winded here - I know - but - if you'll bear with me!

Last verse of Timothy there - "not withstanding she shall be saved in the bearing of a son..." This ties back to Genesis - the seed of the woman will crush the serpant's head!

In enters Redeemer!

Here's the whole mess; Adam and Eve trangressed, plunged the entire human race into a tainted creation, subjected all of us to a will in bondage to sin which ultimatly manifests in sin for every individual. Now God states that the seed of the woman will crush the serpant's head! (and she shall be save through the birth of a son...)

Now a partial answer to this question comes in another verse of New Testament Scripture. It says "through one man's disobediance sin entered the world..." That man was Adam. "..even so by righteousness of one the free gift came upon men unto justification of life.." (Romans 5) The one who brought the free gift unto justification of life was Christ.

Notice the potential to sin was not passed from Eve to her offspring it was passed from Adam to his offspring. He who was the offspring of (soley) Eve - (since his father was not Adam it was God) is the one who would crush the serpant's head. This is how Jesus could be born of Mary who was a sinner and Jesus not be a sinner himself. He was not the seed of Adam. He was called "the last Adam". He succeded in obediance where the first Adam failed. This is how Eve - and her daughters are saved through the bearing of a son!

Jesus reconsiled both male and female to God the Father through His atonement. In now breaking the hold of a sin nature and atoning for the trangression of individuals both male and female stand before God as equals again - just as they had before the fall.

Now as for the things in the Tulmud and the Catholic Bible - the sayings of church fathers or rabbis about women. I don't see any of that as Divinely inspired so I won't answer for any of that. To me that's just the babblings of sinful men exhibiting their emity for God through their hatred of women. They aren't God's opinions so I pay them no mind.

I know these comments are long - but I hope maybe they've answered some of your questions!

eli said...

Wow! Thank you Ms. Modest Fashion Cents!

I really appreciate your taking so much time and effort to explain things!
It really means a lot to me and I truely hope that the Dear Lord rewards you in the best possible way.
You obviously have a great amount of knowlwdge of the scriptures and I am thankful to my Dear Lord for letting you come across my blog.

Your comments are very comprehensive and at the same time very long, so it'll probably take me a while to read it all as carefully as I would want to.

I hope I'll be able to count on your help if I had more questions in my future readings.

God Bless
Eli